Ibogaine- why didn't it work?
In a message dated 8/26/04 3:49:50 PM: A recent Ibogaine inductee
I am a new member, a recent Ibogaine inductee, and am currently starting the second week of my Ibo 'detox'. I wish I had a more positive story to relay, but I do not. I hope I am not breaking any list etiquette by posting this...
I detoxed from methadone(35mg) using 1gm HCL extract, 98%, from Ethnogarden, and for the first 13-14 hours was convinced I was over opiates- no pain, lots and lots of euphoria/positivity. I was even able to eat small amounts of Cheerios and drink apple juice. How wrong I was....
About an hour later(14/15 hour mark), the Ibo began to wear off substantially, and all the too familiar withdrawal symptoms began to slowly creep in. I thought it was psychosomatic, so I closed my eyes and began to meditate, but to no avail. Within hours, I was in almost full withdrawal.
I think my problem was that I puked part of my Ibo dose WAY TOO SOON, and did not have another gram of the HCL to boost me. I am considering weening myself from methadone by chipping with heroin, and then detoxing from the heroin with Ibo. Has anyone done this? Also, would administering the Ibo by enema quell a bit of the nausea?
Thanks for the time to vent, list, and I hope to talk to many more of you soon.
In a message dated 8/26/04 9:26:26 PM: 30 hours from last methadone
I waited about 30 hours from the time of my last methadone dosage. I took 100-200mg test dosage, waited 20 minutes, and then took about 500mg, which I promptly threw up about an hour later. I think that was my problem- I didn't stagger my doses enough, and my body couldn't take it. I should also mention that I had been fasting for 24 hours.
Positive Notes: I had fantastic visuals- better than any other psychotropic substance I have ever touched. Faces of African and Native American people whirled by my mind's eye, and a lot of interesting 3D effects: cubes, Escher-type staircases. VERY COOL. I also felt like I made peace with a few moments from my past. All in all, very therapeutic, while it lasted.
I would like to take Ibogaine again. I DEFINITELY noticed the withdrawal attenuating effects for the first 14 hours. I believe that under the right circumstances, Ibogaine could be an incredible healing power....
In a message dated 8/27/04 4:14:39 PM: It was not painless
Thanks for the responses. I appreciate everyone's input. Being able to cut my dosage was great, but I DID feel the drop- it was not painless.
I feel better now, but am still unable to eat or sleep much. And anything other than cereal, fruit and juice is a complete anathema to my stomach. I lost 7lb over the course of 3 days.
I would be interested in trying Ibogaine again, but not for a while. I found it to be a little taxing on my system.
In a message dated 8/27/04 12:10:56 PM: 1000mg based on my weight
I decided on 1000mg based on my weight- 15-20mg per kg of weight. I am 58 kilos, (roughly 125 lb), 5'7", and 26yo.
I was able to lop a bit off my methadone dosage, from 35ml to about 20ml now, but I must honestly say, I felt the drop, but only somewhat.
I was not able to sleep for approximately 48-50 hours after ingesting Ibo, and even then it was one hour naps here and there. I should also mention I continued to see trails for almost 3 full days.
I do not take sedatives, but I did smoke some weed to promote sleep and appetite. About the 1000mg- took test dosage of 100-200mg; waited, then boosted with about 500mg; vomited one hour later, but started to 'trip' on the Ibo, so waited; At around the 8 hour mark, took remaining 300-400mg. Everything was fine until hour 14/15, when withdrawal symptoms started to kick in.
I checked the Ibogaine therapy manual- I had all symptoms except vomiting: muscle aches, yawning, hot/cold flashes, restlessness, and a general sense of malaise. After about 10 hours of this, I took a sip from my meth bottle(about 10mg??), and within 30 minutes these symptoms began to disappear. I believe that vomiting was my sole problem.
Sorry to ramble,
In a message dated 8/28/04 11:26:55 AM: Didn't drink enough water
No, I probably didn't drink enough water- maybe that was the problem. I don't have any history of gastrointestinal disorder, unless you count all the lovely junk-related stuff like flip-flopping between constipation and the runs.
I managed to get my hands on 20gm of the rootbark powder, but am a little timid to do it again for a while. I am a partial vegetarian-no red meat- but now I don't even crave chicken or fish. I'll just stick to my berries and grains, thank you. :)
In a message dated 8/30/04 6:27:43 PM: 3 weeks have passed
Nearly 3 weeks have passed since my Ibo experience, and upon further reflection, I now emphatically believe that it worked, to some degree.
I have a broken molar, which I believe, in essence, led to me "wimping out", after my Ibo experience. In reality, it was the tooth pain, and NOT my withdrawal symptoms, which led me to cave in to a methadone dose.
I will be having dental work shortly, after which time I will schedule another Ibogaine treatment. I believe this next treatment will be COMPLETELY successful in interrupting my chemical addiction.
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